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Monday, November 14, 2011

Baptism Of The Dead

Baptism Of The Dead
Doctrine & Covenants Scriptures
Why the RLDS Church Refuses 
To Baptize Their Dead




Dear Reader, 

My Sister in law is a member of the Utah based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am a member of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Both Churches believe in the Bible, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. 

Two churches who at first blush seem so similar, even in name, yet are almost diametrically apposed in doctrine and teaching. 

As you can imagine,there has been passionate discussion amongst us in-laws ( of my family) as to why we believe the way we do. How can two or more people believe differently from a doctrine or teaching coming from the same books of scriptures?

I have posted the Doctrine and Covenants scriptures dealing with baptism of the dead. Why the RLDS Church does not believe nor practice this doctrine. I have taken the liberty to post the LDS and RLDS scripture reference's. 

Aside from a few select scriptures which were added by the Utah LDS Church after Joseph Smith's death our Doctrine and Covenants are almost word for word identical.  God Bless you and I hope you enjoy.


Section 124 LDS D&C, Section 107 RLDS D&C declares:

29For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—
 30For this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me.


The RLDS Church does not argue IF baptism of the dead is of God. Our reason for not practicing  baptism of the dead is due to  D&C revelation given by Joseph Smith.


A Sufficient Time Given

“I command you, all ye my Saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me, and during this time your baptisms shall be acceptable unto me. But, behold, at the end of this appointment, your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment, ye shall be rejected as a church with your dead, saith the Lord your God.”
(given)
Jan. 19, 1841
Doctrine and Covenants 107:10f–11a (Reorg.)
Doctrine and Covenants 124:31–39 (Utah)

Wrath for Abominations?

“And it shall come to pass, that if you build a house
unto my name, and do not the things that I say, I will not
perform the oath which I make unto you, neither fulfill
the promises which ye expect at my hands, saith the
Lord;
for instead of blessings, ye, by your own works, bring
cursings, wrath, indignation, and judgments, upon your
own heads, by your follies, and by all your abominations,
which you practice before me, saith the Lord.”

Doctrine and Covenants 107:13e–f (Reorg.)
Doctrine and Covenants 124:44–46 (Utah)



 Saints Were Practicing Abominations?
What Abominations?

D&C 124 Prophecy Scattered Saints Shall 


Baptize Dead In Vain


baptism of dead revelation given January 19, 1841

35And after this time, your baptisms for the dead, by those who are scattered abroad, are not acceptable unto me, saith the Lord.
 36For it is ordained that in Zion, and in her stakes, and in Jerusalem, those places which I have appointed for a refuge, shall be the places for your baptisms for your dead.

Saints Not Moved IF Obedient
“If ye labor with all your might, I will consecrate
that spot, that it shall be made holy; and if my people
will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my
servants whom I have appointed to lead my people,
behold, verily I say unto you, They shall not be
moved out of their place. But if they will not
hearken to my voice, nor unto the voice of these
men whom I have appointed, they shall not be
blessed, because they pollute mine holy grounds.”

Doctrine and Covenants 107:13e–f (Reorg.)
Doctrine and Covenants 124:44–46 (Utah)
Saints Cast From Zion  and



Scattered Because of Transgression?
1 Verily I say unto you, concerning your brethren who have been afflicted, and persecuted, and cast out from the land of their inheritance—


 2 I, the Lord, have suffered the affliction to come upon them, wherewith they have been afflicted, in consequence of their transgressions; 

What Transgression?


LDS D&C 42:22
 22 Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt  cleave unto her and none else.
 23 And he that looketh upon a woman to lust after her shall deny the faith, and shall not have the Spirit; and if he repents not he shall be cast out.
 24 Thou shalt not commit adultery; and he that committeth adultery, and repenteth not, shall be cast out.
Polygamy Was the Abomination Practiced, Which God Called Adultery, Which Caused the Scattering of the Saints. 


Scattered Saints Abroad 


Not Acceptable???


The 4 Reasons Why...

·        LDS D&C 64:35 Lord Declares the Rebellious Shall Not Live In Zion
·        LDS D&C 64:36 States Rebellious Scattered Saints are Not of blood of Epraim, whom shall be “plucked out”!
·        LDS D&C 64: 38 Inhabitants of Zion ( Independence MO. ) Shall judge all thing pertaining Zion.
·        False Prophets and Apostles shall be exposed by Saints Living in Zion.  ( Missouri )

Utah. D.&C. 62:6; 64:34-39; or RLDS Authorized D&C 62:2; 64:7.

“Zion shall not be moved out of her place,

Not withstanding her children are scattered.”



LDS D&C Gives 


Location of Zion?

Joseph Smith gave revelation Section 57:1 (57:1-3 Utah D&C.* : 57:1 RLDS Authorized. D&C.**) we find:
“Hearken, O ye elders of my church saith the Lord your God, who have assembled yourselves together, according to my commandments in this land which is the land of Missouri, which is the land which I have appointed and consecrated for the gathering of the saints: wherefore this is the land of promise, and the place for the city of Zion. And thus saith the Lord your God, if you will receive wisdom here is wisdom. Behold, the place which is now called Independence, is the center place, ...”


Jeremiah 17:5-6 
Scattered Saints hearts have 


departed from God
 5Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Jeremiah Prophecies the Land of Rebellious  Saints*
 6For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

* Many Saints were scattered all over America. 
Not just the salt land of the Utah desert.

Time Line of Church History

Baptism of Dead Revelation Given
Jan. 19, 1841

Masonic Temple
Finished 1843

Joseph and Hyrum Smith Killed
1844

Saints Scattered
1846

Prophecy Fulfilled 

Nauvoo Temple Never Finished
No one can deny that the Saints were
driven from Nauvoo. In light of this
revelation (107 RLDS D&C Section 124 Utah D&C), which
promised that they would not be “moved
out of their place” if they were obedient, it
is easily understood that the Saints did
not complete the temple in the alloted
time and were therefore scattered.

Brigham Young's Own Words
 Confirmed This
Brigham Young stated several times that
the Nauvoo temple was not finished.
“Here let me ask the old Saints a question.
Have you ever seen a temple finished since
this church commenced? You have not.”
Brigham Young, Aug. 31, 1856,
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 42.


 He Confirmed It Again
“We built one [a temple] in Nauvoo. I could
pick out several before me now that were
there when it was built, and know just how
much was finished and what was done. It is
true we left brethren there with instructions
to finish it, and they got it nearly completed
before it was burned, but the Saints did not
enjoy it.”
Brigham Young, Jan. 1, 1877
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 18, p. 304




Fulfilled Prophecy

·       The Nauvoo temple was
never completed
• Abominations   were committed in
Nauvoo
• They did not hearken unto
the Lord or his servants
• Received curses, wrath,
indignations and judgments
• Were moved out of their place
and expelled from Nauvoo
• The church was rejected**

**See LDS D&C 84:54-57/ RLDS D&C Section 83.

Identification
Today the practice of “baptism for the
dead” has only one important purpose:

It serves to identify the church, that
practices it—as being a rejected church.

See: RLDS Doctrine & Covenants 107:11a, 13e

See LDS Doctrine & Covenants 124:32, 45–46
All Hope Is Not Lost!
Utah Church Not Totally Rejected!

Those Scattered Because of Transgression...
Section 101: 1; 9;13; 

1 Verily I say unto you, concerning your brethren who have been afflicted, and persecuted, and cast out from the land of their inheritance—

2. I, the Lord, have suffered the affliction to come upon them, wherewith they have been afflicted, in consequence of their transgressions;

3 Yet I will own them, and they shall be amine in that day when I shall come to make up my jewels.

 4 Therefore, they must needs be chastened and tried, even as Abraham, who was commanded to offer up his only son.

 5 For all those who will not endure chastening, but deny me, cannot be sanctified. ( Warning to LDS and RLDS Church together ) 

 6 Behold, I say unto you, there were jarrings, and contentions, and envyings, and strifes, and lustful and covetous desires among them; therefore by these things they polluted their inheritances.

7 They were slow to hearken unto the voice of the Lord their God; therefore, the Lord their God is slow to hearken unto their prayers, to answer them in the day of their trouble. ( Again Warning to LDS and RLDS Church combined )

8 In the day of their peace they esteemed lightly my counsel; but, in the day of their trouble, of necessity they feel after me.

9 Verily I say unto you, notwithstanding their sins, my bowels are filled with compassion towards them. I will not utterly cast them off; and in the day of wrath I will remember mercy.

10 I have sworn, and the decree hath gone forth by a former commandment which I have given unto you, that I would let fall the sword of mine indignation in behalf of my people; and even as I have said, it shall come to pass.

11 Mine indignation is soon to be poured out without measure upon all nations; and this will I do when the cup of their iniquity is full.

12 And in that day all who are found upon the watch-tower, or in other words, all mine Israel, shall be saved.

13 And they that have been scattered shall be gathered.

Those Repentant Saints Scattered and Cast From Zion ( Independance MO )
Shall be gathered Once More. 

Wrapping Up.

RLDS Church Members and Priesthood do not baptize the dead because LDS and RLDS Doctrine and Covenants Commandments forbids it. Commandment which declares the Church who continues the practice shall be "rejected" as a church. 

Doctrine and Covenants 107:10f–11a (Reorg.)
Doctrine and Covenants 124:31–39 (Utah)

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